techPresident - Obama and His Movement: The Internal Battle Begins - Comments

Thanks Micah...

junothiall — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:31:27 -0400

I couldn't find it even with a search yesterday. I wait with baited breath to see if Sen. Obama does stand firm.

Not true about MoveOn backing down

Micah L. Sifry — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:07:26 -0400

See http://pol.moveon.org/immunity/080621obama.html. I must have put up a bad link in my original post. Looks to me like this campaign is still very much kicking.

MoveOn.org has deleted its page on taking Obama to task

junothiall — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:53:14 -0400

Interesting, eh?

WHAT HAVE THEY DONE?!

thegreathal — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:20:43 -0400

No, freedomfighter, you're teaching the Obamacans the wrong message here. I believe full well that if Obama didn't flee his original position on civil liberties, he would benefit in the polls, or at least not lose the election--though he will strand his supporters.

It's that Obama chose to lie about FISA anyway is the lesson on how politics works for Obamacans. While in many cases having an actual candidate that's directly inside government is infinitely useful to a group or movement, if you're going to blindly dedicate yourself to a candidate, make sure s/he halfway believes in your issue (or in Obama's case, any issue) before it's too late to withdraw your support. Their dedication becomes the selling out of their own beliefs, and while it's good that Obamacans are just now learning how to criticize, their end result will be electing a Bush Democrat with utter contempt for the Left to the White House.

Also, please fix the broken link and missing sentence in the second paragraph, please!

so the Obamanians are upset with Obama

Freedomfighter — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:04:32 -0400

Obama took positions on issues he can not deliver on. He will either abandon the positions and turn on his supporters who have no where to go, or he will be brought down by the voters. Looks like the Obamanians are beginning to understand how politics works. If you like an issue, stick with it and build a movement, not a candidate, for it.

Obama and His Movement: The Internal Battle Begins

Micah L. Sifry — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 07:03:18 -0400

A few weeks back, I wrote a long post asking whether Obama's networked movement was going to do more than just work to elect him president. Well, it looks like the battle to hold him accountable to his promises has already begun, over his support for the FISA bill, and especially over a provision giving the telecom companies retroactive immunity for breaking the law when they gave the Bush Administration access to Americans phone records without judicial authorization.